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Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 22 Sep 2016

Hello,

the Ematrend function, recently added, is not correct !!!

The add-on Ematrend indicator, a proprietary indicator by Enrico Malverti, has 4 inputs:

- AtrLen, AtrMult, StdLen, and price.

The Ematrend function has only 2 inputs: AtrLen and AtrMult.

The result is that the function is not comparable to the indicator.

In my opinion like this the function is of no use,

and would be more correct to call it Fake-Ematrend or Useless-Ematrend.

I hope that the Author will provide the real and correct version of the function !!!

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Massimo

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby bensat » 23 Sep 2016

Dear Massimo,

I would think about your thread opening and the fundamental aspects of PowerLanguage, coding itself and 'logical thinking' again, before you play 'someone' down here.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 23 Sep 2016

Dear Ben,

sorry, but I can not understand the meaning of your answer.
Please, could you explain?

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby bensat » 23 Sep 2016

Dear Massimo,

do you always expect a function implemented in a study to have the same amount of inputs as the study itself ?

Check some common studies (indicators) and their implemented functions and you will find the answer for yourself and your accusation of a false implemented function or study as just wrong.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 23 Sep 2016

Dear Ben,
do you always expect a function implemented in a study to have the same amount of inputs as the study itself ?
In this case simply yes !!!

If you kindly plot the indicator on a chart, and then plot the function,
you will verify that the two do not overlap.

Frankly I can not understand on what basis you accuse me of being wrong.

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Code: Select all

Inputs:
atrlen(21),
atrmul(3);
value1=Ematrend(atrmul,atrlen);
plot1(value1);
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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby bensat » 23 Sep 2016

Dear Massimo ....
In this case simply yes !!!
And this is simply wrong.

As you can see the original EmaTrend is much smoother than yours, which I believe is caused by flatten out the EmaTrend values. May it's done by something with a period of 14 ('stdlen' input from original indicator). As this calculation is made outside the function 'EmaTrend' it doesn't have to have the input set in the function. An input 'stdlen' in the indicator is just enough.

If you could share the function code we can sort it out.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 23 Sep 2016

Dear Ben,
As you can see the original EmaTrend is much smoother than yours
Not mine, but much smoother than Ematrend proprietary function by Malverti/Multicharts.
May it's done by something with a period of 14 ('stdlen' input from original indicator).
Yes, of course !!! In the proprietary Ematrend indicator you have a smooth by standard deviation that you have not in the proprietary Ematrend function by Malverti/Multicharts.

So, if you kindly read my first post, it is exactly what I am stating.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby JoshM » 26 Sep 2016

Yes, of course !!! In the proprietary Ematrend indicator you have a smooth by standard deviation that you have not in the proprietary Ematrend function by Malverti/Multicharts.

So, if you kindly read my first post, it is exactly what I am stating.
I'm not sure if I follow, but isn't the point of a proprietary function/indicator to do something else than the standard function/indicator? At least, isn't that something that you pay for when you buy a proprietary script? You probably wouldn't be happy if the script you bought is the same as the standard and freely available ones.

Anyway, have you talked about this with the maker of the proprietary script? He can probably help you more or at least tell you why he (she) did something else than the standard script.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 26 Sep 2016

Evidently my English with the help of google translate is not good enough to be understood.
And probably the tone of my first post has been more aggressive than those who were my intentions.
Ematrend is a proprietary indicator of dr.Malverti. I think it's an excellent trendfollower indicator,
and I am grateful to the author for having provided free in Multicharts the indicator version.
Unfortunately Ematrend function provided does not match the indicator Ematrend provided for free.
Then call that function Ematrend is misleading !!!
Obviously the Author has every right to keep secret the code and also to provide the actual code in return for payment of money, but it would be more correct to call the Ematrend function provided by an other name.
I hope that the Author reading these posts decides to provide Multicharts' users with the correct Ematrend function, eventually as an add-on for fee !!!

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby TJ » 26 Sep 2016

maybe you have mistaken the

EMATrend (Exponential Moving Average Trend)

with the

EmaTrend (Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend) ?



I did a quick search on the internet and found a few renditions of ematrend.

Which one do you think works best for you ?

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 26 Sep 2016

Hello TJ,
maybe you have mistaken the

EMATrend (Exponential Moving Average Trend)

with the

EmaTrend (Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend) ?
The Ematrend function that is provided by default with the installation of Multicharts

in your opinion which of the two versions is?

According to the parameters required I think it's the latter,

because has been inserted with the Ematrend (Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend) Indicator.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby TJ » 26 Sep 2016

Hello TJ,
maybe you have mistaken the

EMATrend (Exponential Moving Average Trend)

with the

EmaTrend (Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend) ?
The Ematrend function that is provided by default with the installation of Multicharts

in your opinion which of the two versions is?

According to the parameters required I think it's the latter,

because has been inserted with the Ematrend (Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend) Indicator.

Best regards
Massimo

Do you know if Enrico Malverti has registered "ematrend" as a trademark?


If you have bought and paid for Enrico Malverti's ematrend,
and you are happy with it, what is the problem?

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 26 Sep 2016

Please,
kindly read carefully the post and be sure to understand the question before giving an answer.
Thank you

Best regards
Massimo
Hello,

the Ematrend function, recently added, is not correct !!!

The add-on Ematrend indicator, a proprietary indicator by Enrico Malverti, has 4 inputs:

- AtrLen, AtrMult, StdLen, and price.

The Ematrend function has only 2 inputs: AtrLen and AtrMult.

The result is that the function is not comparable to the indicator.

In my opinion like this the function is of no use,

and would be more correct to call it Fake-Ematrend or Useless-Ematrend.

I hope that the Author will provide the real and correct version of the function !!!

Kind regards.
Massimo

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby TJ » 26 Sep 2016

Please,
kindly read carefully the post and be sure to understand the question before giving an answer.
Thank you

Best regards
Massimo

maybe you have mistaken the

EMATrend (Exponential Moving Average Trend)
as the
EmaTrend (Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend) ????


I don't think they are the same thing.
The MultiCharts EMATrend is far superior and smoother than the other one in the picture you have shown.


Is ematrend a registered trademark?


I have not seen any MultiCharts assertion that the emaTrend is a copy of the Enrico Malverti Adaptive Trend.
Can you provide a link if you have seen one?

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby TJ » 26 Sep 2016


I see "ema-trend", not "ematrend".


Did you buy one? Or is yours a pirated copy?

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 26 Sep 2016

Please TJ,
be serious !!!

Here we are talking about EMATREND INDICATOR and EMATREND FUNCTION provided by default with the installation of regular lifetime license of Multicharts, nothing else.

So please don't google, but open your Multichart.
Plot on a chart Ematrend indicator, and then plot on the same chart the Ematrend function,
with the same inputs parameters.

Code: Select all

Inputs:
atrlen(21),
atrmul(3);
value1=Ematrend(atrmul,atrlen);
plot1(value1);
Then give your answer, if you have one.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby TJ » 26 Sep 2016

Please TJ,
be serious !!!

Here we are talking about EMATREND INDICATOR and EMATREND FUNCTION provided by default with the installation of regular lifetime license of Multicharts, nothing else.

So please don't google, but open your Multichart.
Plot on a chart Ematrend indicator, and then plot on the same chart the Ematrend function,
with the same inputs parameters.

Code: Select all

Inputs:
atrlen(21),
atrmul(3);
value1=Ematrend(atrmul,atrlen);
plot1(value1);
Then give your answer, if you have one.

Best regards
Massimo

I want to ask you again,
is there anywhere anytime that MultiCharts officials have said that the ematrend you found in the PLEditor is a copy of Mr Enrico Malverti's ema-trend?

If MultiCharts has ever said that, and I missed it, please provide a link to that assertion.

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby TJ » 26 Sep 2016

Please TJ,
be serious !!!

Here we are talking about EMATREND INDICATOR and EMATREND FUNCTION provided by default with the installation of regular lifetime license of Multicharts, nothing else.

So please don't google, but open your Multichart.
Plot on a chart Ematrend indicator, and then plot on the same chart the Ematrend function,
with the same inputs parameters.

Code: Select all

Inputs:
atrlen(21),
atrmul(3);
value1=Ematrend(atrmul,atrlen);
plot1(value1);
Then give your answer, if you have one.

Best regards
Massimo

Which answer do you want me to give you?

1. MultiCharts' ematrend is the same as Enrico Malverti's ema-trend?

2. MultiCharts' ematrend is NOT the same as Enrico Malverti's ema-trend?

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Re: Wrong Ematrend function

Postby maxmax68 » 26 Sep 2016


http://ema-trend.blogspot.it/

1. MultiCharts' ematrend is the same as Enrico Malverti's ema-trend?
In that blog Malverti says YES !!!

That is why in my first post I say:
I hope that the Author will provide the real and correct version of the function !!!
Stop.
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