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MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 10 Aug 2017

MultiCharts 11.0 Release is available for download now (builds 14732/14734)!
This version offers professional tools for developing your own resolutions using object-oriented programming. New functionality gives you access to the bar formation algorithms and allows you to define your own set of rules. Among the other new features in this version are: Imbalance Delta chart style, completely reworked WFO report, built-in applications for user data Backup/Restore with ability to backup manually or schedule an automated task, ASCII Export Scheduler, “Schiff Pitchfork” and “Modified Schiff Pitchfork” drawing tools.

Click here for the complete list of all new features and improvements in this version.

>>> Go to MultiCharts 11.0 Release download page <<<

Due to popular demand we have decided to do a soft launch of this version. These stable new builds are targeted at users who are eager to get access to all new features and improvements. Our "Check for Updates" function will start sending notifications for this build as soon as we have reviewed the feedback received from our users.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Mydesign » 10 Aug 2017

Hello,

Just to let you know, here with MC 11 I have some serious cursor display lag as soon as there are signals on a chart. See attached video.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby mickatrade » 10 Aug 2017

Hello,
Can you give more detail about this functionnality :

New study licensing management system

Selected add-on providers can now register as developers with us to manage licensing of the studies they sell to the users.

Thanks

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 11 Aug 2017

Mydesign wrote:Hello,

Just to let you know, here with MC 11 I have some serious cursor display lag as soon as there are signals on a chart. See attached video.

Regards,
Mydesign
Hello Mydesign,

Thanks for reporting. Our engineers are analyzing this case.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 11 Aug 2017

mickatrade wrote:Hello,
Can you give more detail about this functionnality :

New study licensing management system

Selected add-on providers can now register as developers with us to manage licensing of the studies they sell to the users.

Thanks
Hello mickatrade,

Please email to support @ multicharts.com directly regarding this feature.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby mickatrade » 11 Aug 2017

Hello Henry,
Thank you for your reply.
I will send an email about it.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby yoyotrader » 11 Aug 2017

Henry,

This is not Beta any more right? 11.0 official release?

If I download and install the newest version - it will overwrite the oldest without erasing my Signals and Indicators right?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby ABC » 11 Aug 2017

yoyotrader,

while this is usually the case, you still might want to do a backup of your studies before installing a new version of Multicharts. Simply export all studies, this doesn't take more than a minute and it's better to be save than sorry when it comes to your studies.

Regards,

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If I download and install the newest version - it will overwrite the oldest without erasing my Signals and Indicators right?
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 11 Aug 2017

yoyotrader wrote:Henry,

This is not Beta any more right? 11.0 official release?

If I download and install the newest version - it will overwrite the oldest without erasing my Signals and Indicators right?
Hello yoyotrader,

That is correct, it is 11.0 official release. When you update MultiCharts it always keeps all your personal data preserved, but as ABC mentioned above - doing a backup of your user data before update is a good practice. In this new version you can backup your data with ease and you can also configure the Scheduler to have it done automatically for you. https://www.multicharts.com/trading-sof ... pplication
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Mydesign » 21 Aug 2017

Henry MultiСharts wrote:
Mydesign wrote:Hello,

Just to let you know, here with MC 11 I have some serious cursor display lag as soon as there are signals on a chart. See attached video.

Regards,
Mydesign
Hello Mydesign,

Thanks for reporting. Our engineers are analyzing this case.


Any progress on this bug ? FYI it also affects chart window redimensionning: very very slow display refreshing...

BTW, I really like the new 3D optimization chart. Much better better than previous one ;-) You forget to mention it on the "What's new" page, though it's worth mentionning.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 21 Aug 2017

Mydesign wrote:
Henry MultiСharts wrote:
Mydesign wrote:Hello,Just to let you know, here with MC 11 I have some serious cursor display lag as soon as there are signals on a chart. See attached video.Regards,Mydesign
Hello Mydesign,Thanks for reporting. Our engineers are analyzing this case.
Any progress on this bug ? FYI it also affects chart window redimensionning: very very slow display refreshing...
Hello Mydesign,

At the moment this case is targeted to MultiCharts 12, since the issue is not a trivial one.

Mydesign wrote:BTW, I really like the new 3D optimization chart. Much better better than previous one ;-) You forget to mention it on the "What's new" page, though it's worth mentionning.
Thanks for your feedback!

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Mydesign » 22 Aug 2017

Henry MultiСharts wrote:At the moment this case is targeted to MultiCharts 12, since the issue is not a trivial one.

This is very bad news. MC 11 is just unusable at the moment. Saddly I am forced to go back with MC 10 :(

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby yoyotrader » 25 Aug 2017

Can you post MC 10 download link? Also, when is MC 12 targeted for release?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 25 Aug 2017

Hello yoyotrader,

Please contact us directly for MultiCharts 10 download link. As for MultiCharts 12 - it can be expected by the end of this year.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby yoyotrader » 26 Aug 2017

Thanks Henry,

One other question - was cause of the above cursor glitch ever found? Specifically, will it happen whenever there is ANY signal in the chart?
I noticed it does not happen on the stock demo workspace charts and signals

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 28 Aug 2017

yoyotrader wrote:Thanks Henry,

One other question - was cause of the above cursor glitch ever found? Specifically, will it happen whenever there is ANY signal in the chart?
I noticed it does not happen on the stock demo workspace charts and signals
yoyotrader, it does not happen to all users, but in case you experience this behavior - try making the chart smaller to improve the cursor speed. The fix is targeted to MultiCharts 12 and at the moment we cannot provide more details on the matter.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 15 Sep 2017

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 2 builds 14941/14943 is out now!
You can check the change log in our blog.
Go to download page

This build is critical for OANDA users - it has modified algorithm of requesting historical daily bars. OANDA did some changes on their end effective today on Demo, in a week on Live. Make sure you update to this new version in order to be able to receive historical daily data.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby CrazyNasdaq » 15 Sep 2017

Great Work with FLEX renko !!!!
Congratulations !!! Well Done !!! Great improvement !!!
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby bucks » 15 Sep 2017

version:
MultiCharts64.11.0.14943.400_Release_x64_R2

issues:
1.same as the "cursor lagging" problem. I switch to mc11x64 from mc7.4x86;
the funny thing is that mc7.4 is no lagging compared to super lagging mc11x64.... :shock:

2.mc11x64 R1 can open wsp of older version, but R2.....CAN NOT.... :shock: , even it's created by mc11x64 R1.....
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it seems I gotta go back to mc74 for the Monday trading.......@@!

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 15 Sep 2017

bucks wrote:version:
MultiCharts64.11.0.14943.400_Release_x64_R2

issues:
1.same as the "cursor lagging" problem. I switch to mc11x64 from mc7.4x86;
the funny thing is that mc7.4 is no lagging compared to super lagging mc11x64.... :shock:

2.mc11x64 R1 can open wsp of older version, but R2.....CAN NOT.... :shock: , even it's created by mc11x64 R1.....
1505495289133.jpg

it seems I gotta go back to mc74 for the Monday trading.......@@!
Hello bucks,

Please email the workspace you are having issue with to support @ multicharts .com
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Smoky » 16 Sep 2017

@Bucks

when you Save your workspace give time to MC to do it !

don't shutdown your PC or laptop to quikly, i already have corrupt workspace when i close windows10 while saving workspaces
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE--is slow to load

Postby PD Quig » 21 Sep 2017

I upgraded to 11.0.14941.400 this afternoon.

The first time I started MultiCharts it took probably 2-3 minutes to load all my workspaces. So, I shut it down and did four more starts. Average load time: 1 min 40 secs.

I uninstalled and reinstalled 10.0.14417 and ran four start-up tests: Average load time: 15 secs

I plan to remain on 10.0 for the foreseeable future.

BTW: when I rolled back to 10.0, all my chart bar types were messed up. Minute and range charts were reset to OHLC from candlestick, and renko charts got changed to renko from candlestick. That was not expected.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE--is slow to load

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 22 Sep 2017

PD Quig wrote:I upgraded to 11.0.14941.400 this afternoon.

The first time I started MultiCharts it took probably 2-3 minutes to load all my workspaces. So, I shut it down and did four more starts. Average load time: 1 min 40 secs.

I uninstalled and reinstalled 10.0.14417 and ran four start-up tests: Average load time: 15 secs

I plan to remain on 10.0 for the foreseeable future.

BTW: when I rolled back to 10.0, all my chart bar types were messed up. Minute and range charts were reset to OHLC from candlestick, and renko charts got changed to renko from candlestick. That was not expected.
Hello PD Quig,

We are sorry to hear regarding this performance drop. In order to study this behavior please send us your MultiCharts environment:
Go to Help tab->Feedback (or Windows Start menu->All programs->MultiCharts64->Feedback).
Select all options, except for dumps and historical tick data.
Please also email a screenshot of your PC specs to me directly or to support mailbox.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE - not all Volume processed

Postby asyx » 23 Sep 2017

Hi.

Some days ago I installed the latest version.
With the new version suddenly Cumulative Delta e.g. on a tick chart and on the 5 min chart were different.
Also when you look at CL on the 5 min chart and the volume which occured at each candle, you see this week a lot of candles where the volume is 10 k and more.
In real time most candles were with volume of just 5 k and lower. Only after a reload MC showed the correct volume per candle.
This happend every day the past week.

In older version I never had this kind of problems. Could you please check?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE - not all Volume processed

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 25 Sep 2017

asyx wrote:Hi.

Some days ago I installed the latest version.
With the new version suddenly Cumulative Delta e.g. on a tick chart and on the 5 min chart were different.
Also when you look at CL on the 5 min chart and the volume which occured at each candle, you see this week a lot of candles where the volume is 10 k and more.
In real time most candles were with volume of just 5 k and lower. Only after a reload MC showed the correct volume per candle.
This happend every day the past week.

In older version I never had this kind of problems. Could you please check?

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Hello asyx,

We are currently working on a similar case and will let you know once there are any updates.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TrendFirst » 28 Sep 2017

Henry MultiСharts wrote:Hello yoyotrader,

Please contact us directly for MultiCharts 10 download link. As for MultiCharts 12 - it can be expected by the end of this year.


Hi Henry

I will also be contacting you for the MC 10 download link. I have had multiple issues with MC 11, as listed below.

1) It does not load IQFeed data properly. Every time I start MC 11, I get an error message "Data feed couldn't be loaded". This message occurs for every workspace within the desktop I am loading.

2) It loads slowly compared to MC 10.

3) It does not shut down properly. I have to go in to task manager and shut down 3 processes every time. While previous versions occasionally have this problem, MC 11 seems to happen every time.

4) When I reload a chart, all charts in every workspace go blank. Charts will not repopulate with data. I have to shut down MC 11, go in to task manager and shut down 3 processes, then restart MC 11.

Since I don't see any new features (other than maybe the backup features) that are critical to me, going back to MC 10 is a no brainer.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TrendFirst » 29 Sep 2017

An update.....I was contacted by Anna and Cristina from support, and went thru a few steps including running the MC DataUpdater.exe, as they suggested. Version 11 seems to be running normally now. Thx!
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 24 Oct 2017

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 3 builds 15200/15201 is out now!
You can check the change log in our blog.
Go to download page
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby The9000 » 24 Oct 2017

The print (" Some data = ", data); function is still broke in 11.0. It's been broken since 10.0 beta, works great in v9.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Chartsurfer » 24 Oct 2017

Hi Henry,

I've just upgraded to the new MC 11 RC3. Everytime I try to close a workspace MC crashes (I tried to send the application error message via MC) ...

Is there a way to roll back to RC2?

Anybody else having the same issue?

Thanks!

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby sptrader » 24 Oct 2017

Chartsurfer wrote:Hi Henry,

I've just upgraded to the new MC 11 RC3. Everytime I try to close a workspace MC crashes (I tried to send the application error message via MC) ...

Is there a way to roll back to RC2?

Anybody else having the same issue?

Thanks!

Peter


I don't have that problem ( I tried it a few times) but if you want to go back to a previous version, run the "current version" and it will give you the option of repairing or removing it. Just don't have it remove your data. (also an option).
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby The9000 » 24 Oct 2017

The9000 wrote:The print (" Some data = ", data); function is still broke in 11.0. It's been broken since 10.0 beta, works great in v9.


Update: it seems to work OK if I don't call it on every bar in minute or tick data for debugging.

As a great plus, the syntax highlighting seems to work great on large scripts ( greater than 500 lines). It's a very nice improvement.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

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Chartsurfer wrote:I've just upgraded to the new MC 11 RC3. Everytime I try to close a workspace MC crashes (I tried to send the application error message via MC) ...

Anybody else having the same issue?

Thanks!


I Have the same problem with each workspace/session of Multicharts I request to close
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 25 Oct 2017

Chartsurfer wrote:I've just upgraded to the new MC 11 RC3. Everytime I try to close a workspace MC crashes (I tried to send the application error message via MC) ...
CrazyNasdaq wrote:I Have the same problem with each workspace/session of Multicharts I request to close

Chartsurfer, CrazyNasdaq,

Are you using Custom Futures instruments on your charts?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby CrazyNasdaq » 25 Oct 2017

Henry MultiСharts wrote:
Chartsurfer wrote:I've just upgraded to the new MC 11 RC3. Everytime I try to close a workspace MC crashes (I tried to send the application error message via MC) ...
CrazyNasdaq wrote:I Have the same problem with each workspace/session of Multicharts I request to close

Chartsurfer, CrazyNasdaq,

Are you using Custom Futures instruments on your charts?


Yes I use only Custom Futures on my charts

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Chartsurfer » 25 Oct 2017

Same here, Henry. Custom Futures only.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 25 Oct 2017

Chartsurfer, CrazyNasdaq,

We have resolved this issue. The installer files on the website have been updated and now include this fix from the box.
You can remove your current installation, download the new installer from the website and run it.

Alternatively the fastest solution is to install the attached hotfix.
Please download the file with the fix corresponding to your version of MultiCharts, unzip it and follow the installation guide:
http://www.multicharts.com/trading-soft ... an_Updater
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby wilkinsw » 10 Nov 2017

Mydesign wrote:Hello,

Just to let you know, here with MC 11 I have some serious cursor display lag as soon as there are signals on a chart. See attached video.

Regards,
Mydesign


When is MC12 out?

The slowdowns on charts with signals applied is making MC11 unusable for me. Am wondering why isn't everyone suffering this issue?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 13 Nov 2017

wilkinsw wrote:
Mydesign wrote:Hello,

Just to let you know, here with MC 11 I have some serious cursor display lag as soon as there are signals on a chart. See attached video.

Regards,
Mydesign


When is MC12 out?

The slowdowns on charts with signals applied is making MC11 unusable for me. Am wondering why isn't everyone suffering this issue?
This issue has been resolved in MultiCharts 11 Release 2. So the current version Release 3 has it addressed already.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TraderWalrus » 19 Nov 2017

Just installed MC 11 release 3 (I was previously running MC 10), mostly to get a more advanced Walk Forward report.

My impression is that while the MC 11 WFO report is certainly nicer than the table we had before, in my opinion it's still does not provide enough information to evaluate the process, and doing an export to excel and performing analysis there is required in the same way it was required in previous versions (it is easier to export the data though. In previous versions we needed to use "select all" and then "copy" and paste into excel).

May I suggest future versions include a similar report to the Strategy Performance Report or a simplified version of it, made up of the Out-Of-Sample data. That would really be a killer feature. The current Summary only includes Min, Max and Average values per period. It will save a lot of time in exporting and analyzing the results elsewhere.

I was positively impressed from the new interface for 3D Graphs. It's now much easier to move between Net Profit to Return On Account functions etc. If this selection (used for the y-axis) could be directly on a side/top panel instead of in the 3D view settings, it would be even better. I normally check at least 2-3 functions when evaluating optimization results.

Customs resolution manager - are there any sample scripts available?

A general question: if I want to move the software to a different folder, while keeping my data, what is the best way to do it?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 21 Nov 2017

TraderWalrus wrote:My impression is that while the MC 11 WFO report is certainly nicer than the table we had before, in my opinion it's still does not provide enough information to evaluate the process, and doing an export to excel and performing analysis there is required in the same way it was required in previous versions (it is easier to export the data though. In previous versions we needed to use "select all" and then "copy" and paste into excel).
Hello TraderWalrus,

Could you please specify what additional information would you like to have exactly and what opportunities for analysis Excel offers that are missing in out WFO report?

TraderWalrus wrote:May I suggest future versions include a similar report to the Strategy Performance Report or a simplified version of it, made up of the Out-Of-Sample data. That would really be a killer feature. The current Summary only includes Min, Max and Average values per period. It will save a lot of time in exporting and analyzing the results elsewhere.
Making WFO report similar to Strategy Performance Report is not possible at the moment because the data from backtests is not stored in order to increase the optimization speed. We’re planning to introduce a bigger number of WFO report features, but at the moment it’s hard to provide any ETA.

TraderWalrus wrote:I was positively impressed from the new interface for 3D Graphs. It's now much easier to move between Net Profit to Return On Account functions etc. If this selection (used for the y-axis) could be directly on a side/top panel instead of in the 3D view settings, it would be even better. I normally check at least 2-3 functions when evaluating optimization results.
This is something that can be expected in the upcoming versions.

TraderWalrus wrote:Customs resolution manager - are there any sample scripts available?.
Yes, for reference you can view the code of the pre-built plugins. It can be viewed in the Custom Resolutions Editor: https://www.multicharts.com/trading-sof ... ion_Plugin

TraderWalrus wrote:A general question: if I want to move the software to a different folder, while keeping my data, what is the best way to do it?.
If you want to move the application itself - uninstall MultiCharts without checking the “Remove MultiCharts user data from computer” option during uninstallation and then reinstall MultiCharts to another target folder. If you want to move your user data to a different folder - follow these instructions: How to Move MultiCharts Database, Studies and Logs from C Drive.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TraderWalrus » 21 Nov 2017

Henry MultiСharts wrote:Could you please specify what additional information would you like to have exactly and what opportunities for analysis Excel offers that are missing in out WFO report?


The point of this process for me is to evaluate the OOS performance. For each report, I do the following basic analysis in excel:

1. I add a column right to Net Profit (OOS)
2. In this column I calculate a cumulative sum of the net profit for each row.
3. I add another column, where I calculate the maximum cumulative profit achieved at every point (high watermark).
4. I then add a graph with those two columns.
5. In a third column, I calculate the differences between the high watermark and the cumulative profit.
6. The maximum of this last column is the maximum drawdown.

Attached is an example of this analysis.
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Postby Henry MultiСharts » 24 Nov 2017

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 4 builds 15386/15387 is out now!
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 06 Dec 2017

TraderWalrus wrote:
Henry MultiСharts wrote:Could you please specify what additional information would you like to have exactly and what opportunities for analysis Excel offers that are missing in out WFO report?


The point of this process for me is to evaluate the OOS performance. For each report, I do the following basic analysis in excel:

1. I add a column right to Net Profit (OOS)
2. In this column I calculate a cumulative sum of the net profit for each row.
3. I add another column, where I calculate the maximum cumulative profit achieved at every point (high watermark).
4. I then add a graph with those two columns.
5. In a third column, I calculate the differences between the high watermark and the cumulative profit.
6. The maximum of this last column is the maximum drawdown.

Attached is an example of this analysis.
Hello TraderWalrus,

Thank you for the detailed description.
We’ll implement this in MultiCharts 12. It will be possible to choose inputs on a 3D graph without entering the dialogue. As for the analysis itself we’ll introduce those columns and will make it possible to display OOS Equity Curve, watermark and 2D graph.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TraderWalrus » 11 Dec 2017

Another point about the WFO - as mentioned in the link below, "If there is an open trade by the end of OOS period, it is not counted in report."
This may distort the results, especially when the OOS length is small. For systems where the "avg # bars in winning trades" is lower than the "avg # bars in losing trades" (for example near target, far stop kind of systems), more losing trades than winning trades will be excluded (a quick trade will have a larger chance to be included). This may lead to results that look very good in the WFO but in fact are unrealistic.

I suggest to include the open profit/loss of any open trade, in the same way open trades appear in other reports.

https://www.multicharts.com/trading-software/index.php/How_to_Verify_Walk-Forward_Optimization_(WFO)_Results

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 27 Dec 2017

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 5 builds 15564/15566 is out now!
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby ABC » 09 Jan 2018

Hi Multicharts team,

it appears there is a limitation for the length of an order name that MC displays and uses internally. However it seems that these limitations are different for what is shown on the chart versus what is shown on in performance report.

1. Could this limitation be removed?
2. Either way, could the Performance Report display the same name as the chart (i.e. not use a different limitation)?

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once
begin
   Buy ( "I am just a test how long an entry name can be" ) next bar market ;
end ;


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Postby Henry MultiСharts » 11 Jan 2018

ABC wrote:Hi Multicharts team,

it appears there is a limitation for the length of an order name that MC displays and uses internally. However it seems that these limitations are different for what is shown on the chart versus what is shown on in performance report.

1. Could this limitation be removed?
2. Either way, could the Performance Report display the same name as the chart (i.e. not use a different limitation)?

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once
begin
   Buy ( "I am just a test how long an entry name can be" ) next bar market ;
end ;


Order name as displayed on the chart and in Perfomance Report:
ordernames2.PNG

Regards,

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Hello ABC,

Order name length in MultiCharts = 32. We will have the performance report support the same length in MultiCharts 12 Beta 1.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

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Henry MultiСharts wrote:Order name length in MultiCharts = 32. We will have the performance report support the same length in MultiCharts 12 Beta 1.
Hello Henry,

great, thank you for the update. Not that it really matters, the chart appears to only show a length of 31 strings for me in MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566).

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby ABC » 12 Jan 2018

Hello Multicharts,

it appears there is a bug with the reserved word PositionProfit, at least in MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566).
The help file states:
PositionProfit (0) will return a value of 5 if the value of the open position has increased by ¤5 since it was entered


However PositionProfit (0) will only return 0 while in a trade, as can be reproduced with the below code.

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begin
   Buy ( "Long" ) next bar market ;
end ;

if MarketPosition <> 0 then
   Print( "CurrentBar = ", CurrentBar, "; OpenPositionProfit = ", OpenPositionProfit, "; PositionProfit( 0 ) = ", PositionProfit( 0 ) ) ;


The output log shows:
CurrentBar = 2.00; OpenPositionProfit = -95.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 3.00; OpenPositionProfit = -130.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 4.00; OpenPositionProfit = -100.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 5.00; OpenPositionProfit = -35.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 6.00; OpenPositionProfit = -25.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 7.00; OpenPositionProfit = -30.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 8.00; OpenPositionProfit = -75.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 9.00; OpenPositionProfit = -90.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 10.00; OpenPositionProfit = -75.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 11.00; OpenPositionProfit = -50.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00
CurrentBar = 12.00; OpenPositionProfit = -10.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = 0.00


Running the same code in TS, it shows that OpenPositionProfit matches PositionProfit( 0 ), just as one would expect in MC according to the help file, too.

CurrentBar = 2.00; OpenPositionProfit = -5.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -5.00
CurrentBar = 3.00; OpenPositionProfit = -65.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -65.00
CurrentBar = 4.00; OpenPositionProfit = -25.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -25.00
CurrentBar = 5.00; OpenPositionProfit = -35.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -35.00
CurrentBar = 6.00; OpenPositionProfit = -40.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -40.00
CurrentBar = 7.00; OpenPositionProfit = -65.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -65.00
CurrentBar = 8.00; OpenPositionProfit = -60.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -60.00
CurrentBar = 9.00; OpenPositionProfit = -75.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -75.00
CurrentBar = 10.00; OpenPositionProfit = -30.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -30.00
CurrentBar = 11.00; OpenPositionProfit = -55.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -55.00
CurrentBar = 12.00; OpenPositionProfit = -40.00; PositionProfit( 0 ) = -40.00


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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 12 Jan 2018

ABC wrote:Hello Multicharts, it appears there is a bug with the reserved word PositionProfit, at least in MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566).
ABC,

Your help file seems to be outdated. PositionProfit returns total realized profit or loss for the specified closed position. You need to have at least a partially filled order in the current position for it to return any value. https://www.multicharts.com/trading-sof ... tionProfit

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby ABC » 15 Jan 2018

Hello Henry,

it's what the build in help file in MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566) shows, this might require an update.

So it's intended behavior that this reserved word behaves differently than in TS?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 16 Jan 2018

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 6 builds 15617/15619 is out now!
You can check the change log in our blog.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby GuppyDRV » 16 Jan 2018

TraderWalrus wrote:Another point about the WFO - as mentioned in the link below, "If there is an open trade by the end of OOS period, it is not counted in report."
This may distort the results, especially when the OOS length is small. For systems where the "avg # bars in winning trades" is lower than the "avg # bars in losing trades" (for example near target, far stop kind of systems), more losing trades than winning trades will be excluded (a quick trade will have a larger chance to be included). This may lead to results that look very good in the WFO but in fact are unrealistic.

I suggest to include the open profit/loss of any open trade, in the same way open trades appear in other reports.

https://www.multicharts.com/trading-software/index.php/How_to_Verify_Walk-Forward_Optimization_(WFO)_Results

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby GuppyDRV » 17 Jan 2018

Henry MultiСharts wrote:
TraderWalrus wrote:
Henry MultiСharts wrote:Could you please specify what additional information would you like to have exactly and what opportunities for analysis Excel offers that are missing in out WFO report?


The point of this process for me is to evaluate the OOS performance. For each report, I do the following basic analysis in excel:

1. I add a column right to Net Profit (OOS)
2. In this column I calculate a cumulative sum of the net profit for each row.
3. I add another column, where I calculate the maximum cumulative profit achieved at every point (high watermark).
4. I then add a graph with those two columns.
5. In a third column, I calculate the differences between the high watermark and the cumulative profit.
6. The maximum of this last column is the maximum drawdown.

Attached is an example of this analysis.
Hello TraderWalrus,

Thank you for the detailed description.
We’ll implement this in MultiCharts 12. It will be possible to choose inputs on a 3D graph without entering the dialogue. As for the analysis itself we’ll introduce those columns and will make it possible to display OOS Equity Curve, watermark and 2D graph.


Henry,

Might it be possible to have the WFO generate and display a report in the same fashion that we see a normal strategy performance report?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby CrazyNasdaq » 18 Jan 2018

I've tried to add bitcoin with the new release 6 through Poloniex, but it doesn't find any symbol

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Postby Henry MultiСharts » 18 Jan 2018

CrazyNasdaq wrote:I've tried to add bitcoin with the new release 6 through Poloniex, but it doesn't find any symbol
Hello CrazyNasdaq,

Poloniex has changed SSL protocols tonight – most likely that is the reason why you are unable to get the instruments list.
We are currently building new version of MultiCharts that has the updated protocol support.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 19 Jan 2018

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 7 builds 15645/15647 is out now!
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 19 Jan 2018

TraderWalrus wrote:Another point about the WFO - as mentioned in the link below, "If there is an open trade by the end of OOS period, it is not counted in report." This may distort the results, especially when the OOS length is small. For systems where the "avg # bars in winning trades" is lower than the "avg # bars in losing trades" (for example near target, far stop kind of systems), more losing trades than winning trades will be excluded (a quick trade will have a larger chance to be included). This may lead to results that look very good in the WFO but in fact are unrealistic. I suggest to include the open profit/loss of any open trade, in the same way open trades appear in other reports. https://www.multicharts.com/trading-software/index.php/How_to_Verify_Walk-Forward_Optimization_(WFO)_Results
GuppyDRV wrote:This is an excellent Idea.GuppyDRV
GuppyDRV wrote:Might it be possible to have the WFO generate and display a report in the same fashion that we see a normal strategy performance report?
Thanks for your feedback. This is not something that is currently possible within current platform architecture. Currently report operates with Net Profit only, which is closed trades. We are going to address these improvement requests when the new auto trading/backtesting engine is introduced: http://www.multicharts.com/pm/viewissue ... no=MC-1497 At the moment there is no specific version/date for it. Please follow the corresponding PM entry.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 19 Jan 2018

ABC wrote:Hello Henry,

it's what the build in help file in MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566) shows, this might require an update.

So it's intended behavior that this reserved word behaves differently than in TS?

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ABC, it is intended behavior that it works differently than in TS. I have tested the build you have specified as well as the latest one - they have the same info as our Wiki has. Please let me know if it is different on your end.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby CrazyNasdaq » 19 Jan 2018

Hi,
it's only about me, or there is a very slow download for the release 7 on Multicharts site servers today ?
I can surf the web very fast and download everything fast as usual (I've a optical fiber cable ), but I can't download the latest release of MC.
Is there any problem on the server side ?
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby CrazyNasdaq » 21 Jan 2018

I've encountered a problem during the use of new release 7 with crypto currecies
The price scale due the fraction of the crypto is forcely set to 1/100000000 (8 decimals ore more)

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this cause to be impossible to use Point bars due the limitation of point bars in a range which goes from 1 to 10000 ( 4 decimals).

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There are even problems using Classic Renko and Flex renko due the setting of the price scale and the limitations with tick precision and so on.

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This is a very great improvment, but "NOW" there are many new problems in using these new features linked to the Crypto Price scales.
My congratulations to all the team, but to use all the tools of Multicharts we have to improve some new "bugs" using crypto currecies and their price scales very deep

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Postby ABC » 22 Jan 2018

Hello Henry,

thank you for letting me know. The help file using MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566) shows these examples for PositionProfit on my end:
Example
PositionProfit (0) will return a value of 5 if the value of the open position has increased by ¤5 since it was entered

PositionProfit (1) will return a value of -5 if the most recently closed position has generated a loss of ¤5


Can I specifically update the help file in case this is still showing the old information after upgrading to the lastest MC version?

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ABC wrote:Hello Henry,

it's what the build in help file in MultiCharts64 Version 11.0 Release (Build 15566) shows, this might require an update.

So it's intended behavior that this reserved word behaves differently than in TS?

Regards,

ABC
ABC, it is intended behavior that it works differently than in TS. I have tested the build you have specified as well as the latest one - they have the same info as our Wiki has. Please let me know if it is different on your end.

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Postby Henry MultiСharts » 22 Jan 2018

CrazyNasdaq wrote:I've encountered a problem during the use of new release 7 with crypto currecies
The price scale due the fraction of the crypto is forcely set to 1/100000000 (8 decimals ore more)
this cause to be impossible to use Point bars due the limitation of point bars in a range which goes from 1 to 10000 ( 4 decimals).
There are even problems using Classic Renko and Flex renko due the setting of the price scale and the limitations with tick precision and so
This is a very great improvment, but "NOW" there are many new problems in using these new features linked to the Crypto Price scales.
My congratulations to all the team, but to use all the tools of Multicharts we have to improve some new "bugs" using crypto currecies and their price scales very deep
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Thanks for reporting. We will have that addressed.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Jad » 27 Jan 2018

Hello Henry,

After updating to version 11, I noticed that the ASCII Export Scheduler was not exporting some of the fields that I manually select for export. e.g 'UpVol', 'DownVol', 'UpTicks', 'DownTicks' etc. Am I missing a setting somewhere to select these for scheduled export?

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Postby Henry MultiСharts » 29 Jan 2018

Jad wrote:Hello Henry,

After updating to version 11, I noticed that the ASCII Export Scheduler was not exporting some of the fields that I manually select for export. e.g 'UpVol', 'DownVol', 'UpTicks', 'DownTicks' etc. Am I missing a setting somewhere to select these for scheduled export?
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Thanks for letting us know. We will check it.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 16 Feb 2018

Jad wrote:Hello Henry,

After updating to version 11, I noticed that the ASCII Export Scheduler was not exporting some of the fields that I manually select for export. e.g 'UpVol', 'DownVol', 'UpTicks', 'DownTicks' etc. Am I missing a setting somewhere to select these for scheduled export?
Hello Jad,

That is not currently possible to export these values, We will add it in MultiCharts 12 beta 1.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 21 Feb 2018

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 8 builds 15806/15808 is out now!
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Henry MultiСharts wrote:MultiCharts 11.0 Release 8 builds 15806/15808 is out now!
You can check the change log in our blog.
Go to download page


Point bars now support Resolution of up to 2 000 000 000.
More info: viewtopic.php?t=50913&p=128131#p128129


Please increment more than 2 billion the resolution of point and renko bars
Bitcoin quotes more than 10 thousand with 8 decimals after. It means 5 integers before 8 decimals, equals to 13 numbers at least, non "only" 9 numbers
Please review the limit and Up increment it to 20 numbers ( 999 000 000 000 000 000 000 ) to avoid future problems.
9 digits is too short as ceiling limit
Renko and point bars with this limitation are too fast as price resolution due the high value of crypto currencies

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Zheka » 22 Feb 2018

Will the issue of licensing/authorisation server disconnects (which breaks automated trading) be addressed?
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Zheka wrote:Will the issue of licensing/authorisation server disconnects (which breaks automated trading) be addressed?
Hello Zheka,

I have replied in the corresponding thread.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

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CrazyNasdaq wrote:
Point bars now support Resolution of up to 2 000 000 000.
More info: viewtopic.php?t=50913&p=128131#p128129


Please increment more than 2 billion the resolution of point and renko bars
Bitcoin quotes more than 10 thousand with 8 decimals after. It means 5 integers before 8 decimals, equals to 13 numbers at least, non "only" 9 numbers
Please review the limit and Up increment it to 20 numbers ( 999 000 000 000 000 000 000 ) to avoid future problems.
9 digits is too short as ceiling limit
Renko and point bars with this limitation are too fast as price resolution due the high value of crypto currencies


This is a chart of Bitcoin with max resolution now avaliable with Renko and Points chart (2 000 000 000 digits)
As you can see, it's very very fast as chart resolution and it's the highest resolution we can have with these kind of charts in cryptos
http://c2n.me/3Sa6W17

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 01 Mar 2018

CrazyNasdaq wrote:
CrazyNasdaq wrote:
Point bars now support Resolution of up to 2 000 000 000.
More info: viewtopic.php?t=50913&p=128131#p128129


Please increment more than 2 billion the resolution of point and renko bars
Bitcoin quotes more than 10 thousand with 8 decimals after. It means 5 integers before 8 decimals, equals to 13 numbers at least, non "only" 9 numbers
Please review the limit and Up increment it to 20 numbers ( 999 000 000 000 000 000 000 ) to avoid future problems.
9 digits is too short as ceiling limit
Renko and point bars with this limitation are too fast as price resolution due the high value of crypto currencies


This is a chart of Bitcoin with max resolution now avaliable with Renko and Points chart (2 000 000 000 digits)
As you can see, it's very very fast as chart resolution and it's the highest resolution we can have with these kind of charts in cryptos
http://c2n.me/3Sa6W17

Bitcoin Scale.jpg
CrazyNasdaq, there is no technical possibility to increase it within the current architecture. You can change the price scale for the instrument without losing the data precision for the majority of the crypto instruments.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

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BIG BIG issue !

Not only for this window, but quotemanager stop to run and autotrading stop too !

the BIG issue is that this windows wait an user to clic on Skip button ! to make Quotemanager running again.

One more time, Developer team forget auto-trader, because in auto-trading there is no one in front of the computer, if yours cutomers uses autotrading it does not have to remain to watch a screen during all the day.

Please it urgent to make an auto-skip button (2-3 seconds) to make quotemanager running again quickly. You can leave your error windows on screen for later use of course. (You can use this auto-skip button on all issues when skip keypress can make MC running again)

Auto-trading is the future and now many trading softwares are optimized for this use, it's time to MC team to realy think auto-trading, not only for marketing, but for performances and real use. My dream only a black box with no charts only EL optimized for performance, speed and focus on broker API. no need to take cpu usage for drawing, all power on EL execution...

3 times in the same day ! and i don't use portfolio...
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Smoky » 22 Mar 2018

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Sorry i forget to take a screenshoot for the first issue

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Smoky » 23 Mar 2018

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TWO TIMES TODAY !

sorry can't make second screenshot when this time i click on send button MC crash totaly and i loose all !

i need to restart MC again

with skip button quotemanager restart and i don't loose annything autotrading restart normaly ...

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TJ » 23 Mar 2018

Smoky wrote:TWO TIMES TODAY !
sorry can't make second screenshot when this time i click on send button MC crash totaly and i loose all !
i need to restart MC again
with skip button quotemanager restart and i don't loose annything autotrading restart normaly ...



Probably your MC is corrupted.
I would delete and re-install.
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Smoky » 28 Mar 2018

Right TJ ,

i replace this file from another MC, fews days now without any problem !

great !
thanks

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby TJ » 28 Mar 2018

Smoky wrote:Right TJ ,

i replace this file from another MC, fews days now without any problem !

great !
thanks



Good to hear it is working now.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 07 May 2018

MultiCharts 11.0 Release 9 builds 16147/16148 is out now!
You can check the change log in our blog.
Go to download page
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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby ABC » 10 May 2018

Henry,

it appears MaxBarsForward and Getappinfo( aiSpaceToRight ) are static and don't reflect changes to the "Chart Shift" settings of a chart i.e. changing the number of bars for the chart will not change what MaxBarsForward and Getappinfo( aiSpaceToRight ) return for a study already applied to a chart. The same applies to the corresponding properties in Multicharts.NET.
Is this intended behavior that the values don't change/reflect changes once the study is applied to a chart?

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 11 May 2018

ABC wrote:it appears MaxBarsForward and Getappinfo( aiSpaceToRight ) are static and don't reflect changes to the "Chart Shift" settings of a chart i.e. changing the number of bars for the chart will not change what MaxBarsForward and Getappinfo( aiSpaceToRight ) return for a study already applied to a chart. The same applies to the corresponding properties in Multicharts.NET. Is this intended behavior that the values don't change/reflect changes once the study is applied to a chart?
ABC, this behavior is by design. These reserved words get their values upon the study initialization. To update them - you need to re-initialize the study by changing its Status manually, or by using the Recalculate reserved word.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Automeq » 14 Jun 2018

When trying to update from the MC button that we find in Help - Check for updates - Download, I get below error. Any way of overcoming that ?
At the end I went to go to the download page, entered emails and got it manually.


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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Henry MultiСharts » 18 Jun 2018

Automeq wrote:When trying to update from the MC button that we find in Help - Check for updates - Download, I get below error. Any way of overcoming that ?
At the end I went to go to the download page, entered emails and got it manually.
Hello Automeq,

If it happens again please try updating your Internet Explorer or resetting its settings to the default values.
If that does not help - please come to the live chat so we can check it remotely.

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

Postby Automeq » 19 Jun 2018

Right now I'm updated (manually). In a future update if I get an error again I will do it. Thanks

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Re: MULTICHARTS 11.0 RELEASE

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