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Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 29 Aug 2011

Most of my Strategies use several Entries/Exits in the same direction, and I always get stuck at the same point when programming.
I manage to assign different tags to each Entry every time the variable currententries changes; the problem is currententries seems to just keep track of the Open entries in the position, so if an Exit and an Entry ocurrs at the same bar then currententries does not change and I am not able to handle the new Entry.
As far a I understand there is no way to know the number of total Entries in a position, just the open Entries. And there is no way to know the time/price of each Entry in a position, just the time/price of the first Entry in a position (EntryPrice EntryTime).
Am I right? Am I missing something?
Thank you for your help

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby Dave Masalov » 29 Aug 2011

Dear qweasz,

There is a way to know the number of total Entries in a position. Please use PosTradeCount(positionsago) keyword. There can be only one open position or there is no open position at all, you may check the quantity of trades in position with PosTradeCount(0) keyword, including open and closed trades.

EntryPrice returns average Entry price, the price of every Entry is calculated with PosTradeEntryPrice(positions_ago, trade_number). All keywords beginning with “PosTrade…” return the necessary information regarding every trade of your strategy.
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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 29 Aug 2011

Thankyou very much, Dave!! All these PosTrade keywords are every thing I need and more.
They are not documented in my Powerlanguage editor (MC7); where can I get latest documentation?

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby Dave Masalov » 30 Aug 2011

They are not documented in my Powerlanguage editor (MC7); where can I get latest documentation?


Dear qweasz,

We are working on the updated Power Language reference guide at the moment. it should be ready soon.
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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 30 Aug 2011

Thankyou Dave, PosTradeCount works great.
But there is something wrong with some PosTradeEntry keywords: they compile ok but produce runtime errors (STD exception : invalid argument).
I have used PosTradeEntryBar and PosTradeEntryPrice with very simple arguments to single out the problem and the result is always the same.
For instance, having next sentence in a Signal will produce the error

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aaa=PosTradeEntryPrice(0,1);

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby Dave Masalov » 09 Sep 2011

Dear qweasz,

We failed to reproduce the issue. Please send us the signal that produces runtime errors or come to our Live Chat Mon-Fri between 6:30 AM and 1 PM EST so we can connect to your computer remotely for investigation.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 14 Sep 2011

Thank you Dave.
In my environement this silly signal will produce the error:


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[IntrabarOrderGeneration = false]

variables:
   aaa(0);
aaa=PosTradeEntryPrice(0,1);
if currentbar=100 then buy this bar on close;


Signal properties:
Commission 0
Slippage 0
Init capital 100000
Interest rate 2
Max number of bars 50
Fixed shares/contracts 1

Changing this properties will not solve the problem.

I run MultiCharts Version 7.0 Release (Build 4510) on Windows Vista.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby TJ » 14 Sep 2011

qweasz wrote:Thank you Dave.
In my environement this silly signal will produce the error:


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[IntrabarOrderGeneration = false]

variables:
   aaa(0);
aaa=PosTradeEntryPrice(0,1);
if currentbar=100 then buy this bar on close;


Signal properties:
Commission 0
Slippage 0
Init capital 100000
Interest rate 2
Max number of bars 50
Fixed shares/contracts 1

Changing this properties will not solve the problem.

I run MultiCharts Version 7.0 Release (Build 4510) on Windows Vista.


You cannot "buy this bar on close".
This is only usable in backtest.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 14 Sep 2011

Thank you TJ.
This was just a silly example. I never use "buy this bar on close" in real time, but I did not know that it was deprecated as it is documented in PowerLanguage.

Changing the sentence for

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if currentbar=100 then buy next bar at market;


will get the same runtime error.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby JoshM » 15 Sep 2011

qweasz wrote:Thank you TJ.
This was just a silly example. I never use "buy this bar on close" in real time, but I did not know that it was deprecated as it is documented in PowerLanguage.

Changing the sentence for

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if currentbar=100 then buy next bar at market;


will get the same runtime error.

True Qweasz, the same problem occurs here (MultiCharts Version 7.0 Release (Build 4510) on Windows 7 Home Premium).

The following code..

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[IntrabarOrderGeneration = false]

variables:
   aaa(0);
   
aaa = PosTradeEntryPrice(0,1);
if currentbar = 100
   then buy next bar at market;

compiles correctly..

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------ Build started: ------
Study: "TestStrategy" (Signal)
Please wait ....
15.09.11 09:13:48
------ Compiled successfully  ------

..but generated an STD Exception after applying it to a chart with the default Strategy Properties settings:
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Don't know if this means anything, but just wanted to let you know Qweasz that, with this code, I also have the same error.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby JoshM » 15 Sep 2011

(Post deliberately emptied - asked a question that I later realized was needlessly, and gave an code example which further derived from the topic subject.)

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 15 Sep 2011

JoshM wrote:Don't know if this means anything, but just wanted to let you know Qweasz that, with this code, I also have the same error.


Thank you very much Josh for taking the time to test the code. Now I know the problem is not a faulty installation on my part.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby JoshM » 15 Sep 2011

(This post, with further questions and partially working code, has been deliberately emptied to keep this thread tidy. The solution is provided further below.)
Last edited by JoshM on 15 Sep 2011, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 15 Sep 2011

Josh, I am working on your code.

Your code sais:

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// Get number of positions
   for tradeNumber = TotalTrades DownTo 1 begin
      if EntryPrice(tradeNumber) > 0 then         // Don't ask me why, but this filters out the multiple scale-ins
         numberOfPositions = numberOfPositions + 1;   
   end;


I think EntryPrice is used with a "position number" argument, not a "trade number"; your code happens to give the right answer because it is counting the number of positions with entryprice>0

This code will do the same:

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variables: counter(0);

while EntryPrice(counter)<>0
   begin
      counter=counter+1;
   end;


at the end counter is the number of positions.

In your code you are missing the current position because you do not check EntryPrice(0).

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby JoshM » 15 Sep 2011

Solved! :) (Sorry, quite happy/satisfied now)

the price of every Entry is calculated with PosTradeEntryPrice(positions_ago, trade_number). All keywords beginning with “PosTrade…” return the necessary information regarding every trade of your strategy.


According to my understanding: PosTradeEntryPrice uses the position number, followed by the trade number relative for the position, starting at zero. So, if your first position scales in three times, and your second position 2 times, you can call this with:

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PosTradeEntryPrice(2, 0);   // first position, first entry
PosTradeEntryPrice(2, 1);     // first position, second entry
PosTradeEntryPrice(2, 2);
PosTradeEntryPrice(1, 0);   // second position (i.e. 1 position ago), first entry
PosTradeEntryPrice(1, 1);

So, an error I made was to use the 'TotalTrades number' for the 'trade_number' input in PosTradeEntryPrice (perhaps this can be clearer communicated in the future, since we now have 3 three types of numbers, each different to another: position number != total trades number != trade number).

See for example the code below:

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if LastBarOnChart_s = true then begin

   // Get number of positions
   for tradeNumber = TotalTrades DownTo 1 begin
      if EntryPrice(tradeNumber) > 0 then
         numberOfPositions = numberOfPositions + 1;   
   end;

   Print("Total positions: ", NumToStr(numberOfPositions, 0), ", totalTrades: ", totaltrades, NewLine);

   tradeNumber = 1;
   
   for positionNumber = numberOfPositions DownTo 1 begin
   
      // Get the number of trades into the position
      tradesIntoPosition = PosTradeCount(positionNumber);   
     
      // Print position data
      Print("Position #", NumToStr(numberOfPositions - (positionNumber - 1), 0), Spaces(2),
         "Trade #", NumToStr(tradeNumber, 0), Spaces(2),
         "AvgEntryPrice: ", NumToStr(EntryPrice(positionNumber), 3), Spaces(2),
         "ExitPrice: ", NumToStr(ExitPrice(positionNumber), 3),
         Spaces(5), "Trades into position: ", NumToStr(tradesIntoPosition, 0));

      // Print seperate entries data
      for value5 = 0 to (tradesIntoPosition - 1) begin
         
         Print(Spaces(3), "Entry", NumToStr(value5+1, 0), " @ ",
            NumToStr(PosTradeEntryPrice(positionNumber, value5), 3), Spaces(2),
              "TradeSize: ", NumToStr(PosTradeSize(positionNumber, value5), 0), Spaces(2),
              "ExitPrice: ", NumToStr(PosTradeExitPrice(positionNumber, value5), 3)
            );
         
      end;

      tradeNumber = tradeNumber + tradesIntoPosition;
   end;
end;

Which gives here the following correct output, STD Exception free:

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Total positions: 63, totalTrades:  280.00

Position #1  Trade #1  AvgEntryPrice: 80.865  ExitPrice: 80.843     Trades into position: 8
   Entry1 @ 80.865  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry2 @ 80.870  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry3 @ 80.850  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry4 @ 80.858  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry5 @ 80.844  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry6 @ 80.850  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry7 @ 80.861  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry8 @ 80.844  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
Position #2  Trade #9  AvgEntryPrice: 80.843  ExitPrice: 80.850     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 80.843  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.850
   Entry2 @ 80.834  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.850
Position #3  Trade #11  AvgEntryPrice: 80.750  ExitPrice: 80.769     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 80.750  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.769
   Entry2 @ 80.757  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.769
Position #4  Trade #13  AvgEntryPrice: 80.773  ExitPrice: 80.834     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 80.773  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.834
   Entry2 @ 80.776  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.834
Position #5  Trade #15  AvgEntryPrice: 80.782  ExitPrice: 80.778     Trades into position: 10
   Entry1 @ 80.782  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry2 @ 80.797  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry3 @ 80.793  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry4 @ 80.804  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry5 @ 80.800  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry6 @ 80.801  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry7 @ 80.806  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry8 @ 80.818  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry9 @ 80.825  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
   Entry10 @ 80.815  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.778
Position #6  Trade #25  AvgEntryPrice: 81.141  ExitPrice: 81.106     Trades into position: 8
   Entry1 @ 81.141  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry2 @ 81.145  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry3 @ 81.178  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry4 @ 81.165  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry5 @ 81.143  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry6 @ 81.132  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry7 @ 81.124  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
   Entry8 @ 81.136  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.106
Position #7  Trade #33  AvgEntryPrice: 81.063  ExitPrice: 81.084     Trades into position: 1
   Entry1 @ 81.063  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.084
Position #8  Trade #34  AvgEntryPrice: 80.870  ExitPrice: 80.843     Trades into position: 7
   Entry1 @ 80.870  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry2 @ 80.859  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry3 @ 80.863  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry4 @ 80.867  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry5 @ 80.857  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry6 @ 80.858  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
   Entry7 @ 80.849  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.843
Position #9  Trade #41  AvgEntryPrice: 80.961  ExitPrice: 80.938     Trades into position: 5
   Entry1 @ 80.961  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.938
   Entry2 @ 80.954  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.938
   Entry3 @ 80.958  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.938
   Entry4 @ 80.960  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.938
   Entry5 @ 80.942  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.938
Position #10  Trade #46  AvgEntryPrice: 80.938  ExitPrice: 80.961     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 80.938  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.961
   Entry2 @ 80.927  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 80.961
Position #11  Trade #48  AvgEntryPrice: 81.211  ExitPrice: 81.230     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 81.211  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.230
   Entry2 @ 81.216  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.230
Position #12  Trade #50  AvgEntryPrice: 81.230  ExitPrice: 81.215     Trades into position: 10
   Entry1 @ 81.230  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry2 @ 81.252  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry3 @ 81.246  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry4 @ 81.223  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry5 @ 81.223  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry6 @ 81.230  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry7 @ 81.255  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry8 @ 81.240  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry9 @ 81.239  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
   Entry10 @ 81.243  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.215
Position #13  Trade #60  AvgEntryPrice: 81.215  ExitPrice: 81.242     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 81.215  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.242
   Entry2 @ 81.210  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.242
Position #14  Trade #62  AvgEntryPrice: 81.266  ExitPrice: 81.276     Trades into position: 2
   Entry1 @ 81.266  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.276
   Entry2 @ 81.269  TradeSize: 1000  ExitPrice: 81.276


Dave Masalov wrote:EntryPrice returns average Entry price, (..)

I don't mean this disrespectful, but I doubt that. See for example the output above - the EntryPrice(positions ago) returns the entry price for the first entry of the total position. Also other tests that I've done never returned the average entry price for the complete position. What am I doing wrong? :)

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby JoshM » 15 Sep 2011

qweasz wrote:(..)
I think EntryPrice is used with a "position number" argument, not a "trade number"; your code happens to give the right answer because it is counting the number of positions with entryprice>0

This code will do the same:

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variables: counter(0);

while EntryPrice(counter)<>0
   begin
      counter=counter+1;
   end;


at the end counter is the number of positions.
(..)

Thanks, I did indeed overlook that. I've pasted the code snipped above in my strategy. :)

You probably already got it solved to return the number of entries for a position (the original question of this thread), but for other interested readers:

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while EntryPrice(numberOfPositions) <> 0 begin
   numberOfPositions = numberOfPositions + 1;
end;

if LastBarOnChart_s = true then begin

   for value10 = 1 to (numberOfPositions - 1) begin
   
      Print("Position ago: ", value10, " Number of entries: ", PosTradeCount(value10));
   
   end;

end;

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Position ago:    1.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:    2.00 Number of entries:    9.00
Position ago:    3.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:    4.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:    5.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:    6.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:    7.00 Number of entries:   10.00
Position ago:    8.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:    9.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:   10.00 Number of entries:    1.00
Position ago:   11.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:   12.00 Number of entries:    4.00
Position ago:   13.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:   14.00 Number of entries:    2.00
Position ago:   15.00 Number of entries:   10.00


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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 15 Sep 2011

Great job Josh !!!
I managed to get an "STD exception free" signal by carefully handling the parameter ranges as you did, wich is tricky. This PosTrade functions are very unforgiving. No problem if you have other functions such as EntryPrice(100000) in your code (very out of range), but you can not check PosTradeEntryPrice(0,1) at the time there is no position yet; otherwise you get the runtime error.
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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby qweasz » 16 Sep 2011

To further document this thread:

To count the number of positions you better use a code like

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numberOfPositions=1;
while EntryPrice(numberOfPositions) <> 0 begin
   numberOfPositions = numberOfPositions + 1;
end;

Sentence "numberOfPositions=1;" is important because EntryPrice(0) is equal to 0 in the case there are no open positions at the time of counting. Some additional code will be required to control the case where numberOfPositions is really 0; something like

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numberOfPositions=1;
while EntryPrice(numberOfPositions) <> 0 begin
   numberOfPositions = numberOfPositions + 1;
end;
if totaltrades=0 then numberOfPositions=0;
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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby vking » 02 Oct 2011

Thanks Josh & qweasz for this thread.

- I am trying to determine the entry name & exit name for the position that is closed on the same bar. Is there any easier way to do that using new keywords?
- is there any efficient way to count the number of "closed" trades(not the individual entries in single trade but when the position is closed - it's a trade) and open trades?

thanks in advance!!

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby JoshM » 03 Oct 2011

vking wrote:- I am trying to determine the entry name & exit name for the position that is closed on the same bar. Is there any easier way to do that using new keywords?

I guess you can use the new PosTradeExitName() keyword for that, but I don't know if that will be more easier than ExitName() with a MarketPosition check.

9. PosTradeExitName
Returns exit order name. Exit Name is indicated on the chart and in Order and Position Tracker Window

Usage
PosTradeExitName(PosAgo, TradeNumber)
Where: PosAgo - a numerical expression, specifying the position:
0 - open position;
1 - one position back (the last position closed);
2 - two positions back, etc.
TradeNumber - a numerical expression, specifying the number of trade (zero-based). To retrieve the total number of trades in specified position use PosTradeCount

Notes
This function can only be used in signals.
Example
PosTradeExitName(0,1) will return a value of “sell LX” for the second trade of the open position, if this trade was closed by the order with “sell LX” name.

Source.

vking wrote:- is there any efficient way to count the number of "closed" trades(not the individual entries in single trade but when the position is closed - it's a trade) and open trades?

The code from Qweasz in this post is pretty efficient I think, or do you mean something else? Btw, that code would return a value including open positions, but with OpenEntriesCount this can be corrected.

35. OpenEntriesCount
Same as CurrentEntries.


Hope this is of some help,

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Re: Multi Entries/Exits Strategies

Postby vking » 03 Oct 2011

Thanks Josh. Appreciate it. I am going to check further and reply.

These new keywords are little tricky to use due to run-time exception errors :(


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